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Should Sengoku Nadeko's variant forms have their own character tags that imply sengoku nadeko overall?
Example variant forms post #8412760 (S rated)
Some of them being
1. long bangs nadeko
2. Nadeko short hair
3. wrath nadeko
4. medusa nadeko
I noticed we do separate Misaka clones to an extent if they have distinct personalities. Like 9982 or 10032. I assume this situation is some what similar.
She's not a gacha character please no.
Since we actually tag the Monogatari seasons you could just tag images of her with the proper season each look appears in. We have a bit of an issue of people underutilizing Bakemonogatari, Nisemonogatari, ect in general.
zetsubousensei said:
She's not a gacha character please no.
Since we actually tag the Monogatari seasons you could just tag images of her with the proper season each look appears in. We have a bit of an issue of people underutilizing Bakemonogatari, Nisemonogatari, ect in general.
While you're right on that part about her not being a gacha character, but the variant versions are also very different, even the official art slaps multiple variant Nadekos into a single illustration.
Freshblink said:
While you're right on that part about her not being a gacha character, but the variant versions are also very different, even the official art slaps multiple variant Nadekos into a single illustration.
Still doesn't change the fact that these looks can still be searched if people just use the correct season tag with the exception of her snake haired one which I'm more neutral on having a tag.
A similar character example is Ash Ketchum who has 8 or so designs but we just use the proper season or movie tag inatead of giving him multiple costume tags.
Bringing this up again because apparently someone already made such a tag for one variant.
https://danbooru.aniworldai.org/posts?tags=gentle_nadeko&z=1
What do you propose we do with it?
Freshblink said:
Bringing this up again because apparently someone already made such a tag for one variant.
https://danbooru.aniworldai.org/posts?tags=gentle_nadeko&z=1
What do you propose we do with it?
I see a bit more than one variant tag >_> post #7917750
Looks like someone went and added these to a bunch of pics last month.
BUR #48589 has been rejected.
nuke gentle_nadeko
nuke sengoku_nadeko_(mangaka)
nuke fawning_nadeko
nuke god_nadeko
nuke buruma_nadeko
nuke sengoku_nadeko_(sundress)
nuke present_nadeko
nuke wrath_nadeko
Since these came up again and I forgot to make a BUR last time.
>We have specific season tags for each series which should be used in place
>She is not a gacha character
>Most of these names seem unofficial?
Pinging @LQ since he made the tags I believe, any reason we should use these over the actual season tag?
One problem is that she has multiple appeaerances within a single season, appearances that only appear during an OP animation (gentag I guess?), and appearances that look almost nothing like her (white_hair I guess?)
All of them appear in a single book, nademonogatari, and the names of all the unqualified ones are official. There's a few more I didn't get around to.
To me, some of these appearances are way more appealing and distinct than others, and there's no easy way to search for what makes them unique, therefore character tags.
Updated by LQ
LQ said:
One problem is that she has multiple appeaerances within a single season, appearances that only appear during an OP animation (gentag I guess?), and appearances that look almost nothing like her (white_hair I guess?)
All of them appear in a single book, nademonogatari (some returning, some first appearance), and the names of all the unqualified ones are official. There's a few more I didn't get around to.
Are you sure those are the official names? I thought her snake form was officially localized as "Divine Nadeko," I can also see it's in the wiki, but if I'm wrong I'll retract that complaint since it isn't my biggest issue.
A lot of the characters have looks from arcs that we don't costume tag, Araragi Tsukihi, post #7393210, Senjougahara Hitagi post #2137323, Hanekawa Tsubasa post #9385884, Hachikuji Mayoi post #8144012... I could go on.
I'm going to be honest and say I haven't read Nademonogatari yet or seen OFF/Monster, but it's only a hundred posts out of 18k tag, fits on one page, and Sengoku_Nadeko dual_persona would fulfil instances of them interacting. While there are some characters who have sub character tags like Black Hanekawa and kiss shot they are visually very different from the "base" character tag. I would be fine with Snake getting a tag, it's visually distinct, I don't see the value in Buruma Nadeko something that appears in a single episode of Bake and something that can be searched with sengoku_nadeko buruma.
I think this is contrary to how we tag the other characters in the series, and I really think it should have gone through the forums initially before being made.
BUR #48605 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias fawning_nadeko -> flirty_nadeko
create alias gentle_nadeko -> meek_nadeko
create alias present_nadeko -> current_nadeko
create implication buruma_nadeko -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication current_nadeko -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication flirty_nadeko -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication god_nadeko -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication meek_nadeko -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication wrath_nadeko -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication sengoku_nadeko_(mangaka) -> sengoku_nadeko
create implication sengoku_nadeko_(sundress) -> sengoku_nadeko
Most of them do indeed reappear in Nademonogatari.
Reviewing the official anime translation for OFF & MONSTER season (no LNs referenced), it should actually be:
Divine and maybe Wrath/Flirty are indeed used in older official LN translations, I think, yeah. Thanks to whoever made the Wrath one as I didn't get around to that.
As for the topic at hand, I'd be somewhat fine with only having a separate tag for Divine Nadeko (god) so long as the others are consistently tagged properly. If they aren't, then it's much easier and more likely for people to tag a distinct costume. We need to make more wikis to identity them beyond the pics in the Sengoku Nadeko wiki though, else people won't know which character tag to use.
It's also very annoying to search for shikigami Nadeko forms because, e.g., there are fawning nadeko posts where her bangs aren't pinned up in a hairband (post #1613831, post #4677495, post #1082474, post #1107121, post #1076337), or posts where he her bangs are up but she's not wearing a camisole (post #8145201, post #8350399, post #8493981, post #1613831), but I'm looking to search for more than just that particular general tag + Nadeko.
I think most of the forms are clearly identifiable enough to warrant their own tag. As different personalities and copyrights, they're practically different characters. Including the mangaka outfit and sundress clones. If I had to guess, I created Sengoku Nadeko (Sundress) instead of "caramel ribbon cursetard" because that OP prominently features both the non-canon sundress clones and the mangaka look that also appears in Nademonogatari proper, so I'm resistant to nuking it. And it's easier to search this way. I think the only two missing a tag are the Ren'ai Circulation and Mousou Express ones, but I'd still rather those have a character tag created in the future instead of the status quo. Present Nadeko, on the other hand, is one tag for two appearance because the only difference is clothing (casual vs. tracksuit; see wiki) and not hairstyle, personality, or copyright.
There's an argument to be made that the mangaka one is also Current Nadeko because the hair length is the same and it still looks like she cut it herself, but the cap hides it and it's quite a different outfit (or again, two outfits; Current has like four). And Buruma Nadeko kinda is officially a subtype of Meek Nadeko; same hair and personality after all. Can maybe resolve those another time.
Updated by LQ
@Freshblink Wouldn't you just add clone or doppelganger? Or are there clones that sport an outfit the others don't?
The bulk update request #48589 (forum #390474) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
