Is the "/20" on the tagging page more harm than good for newer users?

Excuse the boring title, I'm British.

This was a discussion had in the discord a few weeks back brought about by the user in forum #375762 presumably mistaking the /20 on the tagging page as a limit rather than a hint or guideline. In the, discussion people had mentioned seeing other users having similar opinions so I thought I'd open this forum topic in hopes of discussing the usefulness of it and potential changes.

In my opinion, I don't think it's a good feature as it's aimed at newer users but can easily be confused by said newer users. Just to clarify by the way, the count for the amount of tags I believe to be a useful feature so that doesn't need touching imo. Just the /20 part needs either changing or removing. If it does change then I think either a hyperlink to or shorter dropdown version of howto:tag checklist could serve as a better way for people to reference how to tag better.

There used to be an emoticon which would go from a frown to a happy face as the user tagged and hit 20+ tags. Not sure the exact rational for its removal.

I'd rather the feature not be removed as I do use it.

Yeah I've never really understood the purpose of it myself, especially since the actual automatic things the site checks for are less than 10 gentags (upon posting, you get a pop-up letting you know your post needs to have at least 10 tags, I get this one a lot with all my no humans posts. I am trying my best danbooru but I don't think there's much else to add to post #9792397) and over 30 gentags (when tagme gets auto-gardened away).

It would be more helpful to have the tag checklist as a pop-up reminder or something (summarizing "hey! make sure you tag all the foreground stuff, chara counters, etc!")

zetsubousensei said:

There used to be an emoticon which would go from a frown to a happy face as the user tagged and hit 20+ tags. Not sure the exact rational for its removal.

I'd rather the feature not be removed as I do use it.

The proposal is to remove just the /20 part at the end, not the entire tag count. If you’re aiming for a specific number of tags, just being able to see the current number is enough, especially if you’re an experienced user.

On the other hand, users at any level shouldn’t be concerned about reaching a specific number of tags. If they’re using the howto:tag checklist properly, a user will almost always exceed 20 tags without even trying. In the rare case they can’t even reach 10 despite following the checklist and know there’s more to tag, they can ask for help and/or use tagme (I know a lot of users don’t like this tag, but this is the kind of situation it was designed for).

I agree with Ylimegirl’s suggestion of replacing the warning message with one more focused on the checklist.

NiceLittleDan said:

Excuse the boring title, I'm British.

This was a discussion had in the discord a few weeks back brought about by the user in forum #375762 presumably mistaking the /20 on the tagging page as a limit rather than a hint or guideline. In the, discussion people had mentioned seeing other users having similar opinions so I thought I'd open this forum topic in hopes of discussing the usefulness of it and potential changes.

In my opinion, I don't think it's a good feature as it's aimed at newer users but can easily be confused by said newer users. Just to clarify by the way, the count for the amount of tags I believe to be a useful feature so that doesn't need touching imo. Just the /20 part needs either changing or removing. If it does change then I think either a hyperlink to or shorter dropdown version of howto:tag checklist could serve as a better way for people to reference how to tag better.

As in a max tag limit? that would be very stupid as the sheer amount of characters in a post (eg, some pokemon trainers and their pokemon) can easially make the post exceed 20 tags. Even if it was just counting gentags a few prominent characters with different articles of clothing would surpass that.

Zalza said:

As in a max tag limit? that would be very stupid as the sheer amount of characters in a post (eg, some pokemon trainers and their pokemon) can easially make the post exceed 20 tags. Even if it was just counting gentags a few prominent characters with different articles of clothing would surpass that.

No, it's a suggested minimum tag limit whenever you upload; nicelittledan is suggesting getting rid of it or altering it.

Placeholder1996 said:

No, it's a suggested minimum tag limit whenever you upload; nicelittledan is suggesting getting rid of it or altering it.

Ah ok my bad, I need to stop browsing this forum at 3 in the morning.