Nudity Pools - What To Do With Them?

Creating a full thread for this as opposed to positing in topic #33413 as I have a feeling this will be complex.

So basically, right now we have two pools for nudity, pool #2709, "Artistic Nude" (in which the nudity is purely for artistic purposes and not intended to be sexual), and pool #1536, "Casual Nudity" (in which people are going about their daily lives naked in a situation they normally wouldn't be). Naturally, both these pools have potential to be tags.

However, the main issue here is that the line between these two pools is often blurry (to the point the main page for both pools link to the other). Not to mention, the fact that these appeal to two different audiences oftentimes. So that leaves a lot of questions as to how we want to handle this.

My proposal would be to convert the two pools as is into their own respective tags and go from there. While I do have interest in a more broad "nonsexual nudity" tag, there are some fetishes like zenra where the casual nudity is the fetish, which leaves the idea in a questionable (heh) sort of limbo.

What do we think? Any other suggestions?

Knowledge_Seeker said:

"Casual Nudity" (in which people are going about their daily lives naked in a situation they normally wouldn't be).

This is actually wrong, despite it being the intuitive presumption of the pool's purpose, especially if pool #10351 "Casually Barefoot" is being used as comparison.

As per its description, the pool is literally just "nudity but without sexual context" which means it also applies to expected nudity like bathing.

I've always found the pool a little odd and hard to use. People really like to add characters posing provocatively on a bed to the pool, which hardly seems "contextually nonsexual" to me.

I'm not sure we actually have a pool or tag specifically for being casually nude in unexpected situations. Zenra is the closest that comes to mind, but as far as my understanding of that concept is concerned it would exclude scenarios where only the subject is casual about it and no one else is.

Knowledge_Seeker said:

Creating a full thread for this as opposed to positing in topic #33413 as I have a feeling this will be complex.

So basically, right now we have two pools for nudity, pool #2709, "Artistic Nude" (in which the nudity is purely for artistic purposes and not intended to be sexual), and pool #1536, "Casual Nudity" (in which people are going about their daily lives naked in a situation they normally wouldn't be). Naturally, both these pools have potential to be tags.

However, the main issue here is that the line between these two pools is often blurry (to the point the main page for both pools link to the other). Not to mention, the fact that these appeal to two different audiences oftentimes. So that leaves a lot of questions as to how we want to handle this.

My proposal would be to convert the two pools as is into their own respective tags and go from there. While I do have interest in a more broad "nonsexual nudity" tag, there are some fetishes like zenra where the casual nudity is the fetish, which leaves the idea in a questionable (heh) sort of limbo.

What do we think? Any other suggestions?

honestly i'm not sure

the problem is that these pools are "curated" because the owner can remove posts if they want and most people only use tags, so only users who really care about that pool are going to use it

if it turns into a tag and then ANYONE can tag it, something that feels even slightly subjective is going to become insanely subjective

everyone is going to be like "yeah this looks ARTISTIC to me" or turn any nude girl who isn't banging 3 horse cocks at once into casual nudity

and if everyone starts adding random shit to the tag, then later someone will need to garden it or it will be deprecated. but nobody can garden something that is based purely on vibes instead of hard rules

there are already countless posts in those pools that i would personally disagree belong in the pool to begin with. there is some zenra posts in casual nudity for example so by that logic zenra should imply casual nudity

artistic nude i think is a cool pool, but it's like pool:3550 (portrayed) it looks cool when you see the posts, but as a tag it would fall apart since nobody can define it in a way other people can use the same tag with the same intention as the person who created the tag

the casual nudity pool is one of the only collection pools I find useful, but it seems like people use it for different things - I don't think it should have *any* solo bathing images for example, those add so much bloat when looking for images of characters being casually nude around each other or in unexpected locations.

There were some discussions about the Casual Nudity pool back in topic #15165 and topic #11430, for reference.

trapster77 said:
everyone is going to be like "yeah this looks ARTISTIC to me" or turn any nude girl who isn't banging 3 horse cocks at once into casual nudity

i was looking in the artistic nude pool and that pretty much already happens if you go to the latest pics in there. bunch of pics of chicks with huge tits that are clearly supposed to be erotic in there cause "uhhhh there's no peens and nothing going in any holes so it's totally not sexual yeah"

trapster77 said:

honestly i'm not sure

the problem is that these pools are "curated" because the owner can remove posts if they want and most people only use tags, so only users who really care about that pool are going to use it

if it turns into a tag and then ANYONE can tag it, something that feels even slightly subjective is going to become insanely subjective

everyone is going to be like "yeah this looks ARTISTIC to me" or turn any nude girl who isn't banging 3 horse cocks at once into casual nudity

and if everyone starts adding random shit to the tag, then later someone will need to garden it or it will be deprecated. but nobody can garden something that is based purely on vibes instead of hard rules

there are already countless posts in those pools that i would personally disagree belong in the pool to begin with. there is some zenra posts in casual nudity for example so by that logic zenra should imply casual nudity

artistic nude i think is a cool pool, but it's like pool:3550 (portrayed) it looks cool when you see the posts, but as a tag it would fall apart since nobody can define it in a way other people can use the same tag with the same intention as the person who created the tag

Anyone can edit pools, not just the pool's creator (I assume that's who you mean by "owner"). It's curated by the entire userbase. Anyone can already add any post to any pool, making it a tag doesn't change that. You could remove the posts you think don't fit, and it would probably be a good idea if we do actually turn these into tags.

That said, pools are pretty often ignored and treated like pet projects by some users, so they don't get gardened nearly as often as they should. Frankly, there are a few pool obsessed users that need to get smacked for how often they add garbage to pools like Casual Nudity.

blindVigil said:

That said, pools are pretty often ignored and treated like pet projects by some users, so they don't get gardened nearly as often as they should. Frankly, there are a few pool obsessed users that need to get smacked for how often they add garbage to pools like Casual Nudity.

I mean, they're already getting the ultimate punishment in the form of forum #389999, evazion calling for and inspiring the current trend of dismantling collection pools into tags or otherwise.

Damian0358 said:

I mean, they're already getting the ultimate punishment in the form of forum #389999, evazion calling for and inspiring the current trend of dismantling collection pools into tags or otherwise.

Yeah, and I'm curious to see what the pool gremlins do when there aren't any pools for them to pollute consequence free anymore.

as someone helpfully pointed out to me last time i brought up this pool, any potential casual nudity tag would have a substantial overlap with nudist due to their very similar subject matter, to the point where it almost calls into question whether casual nudity should exist as a separate tag, or just be merged into nudist.[1]

but don't take it from me, take it from the post counts that clearly show an already existing overlap:

Post count for nudist pool:Casual_Nudity: 891

even their guidelines sound quite alike. from the pool:Casual_Nudity wiki:

Nudity that is, within the picture's context, not overtly sexual and/or provocative.

from the nudist wiki:

• If the person in nude is aware of their nudity and is not in the act that requires them to be in nude (such as bathing) but does not attempt to cover it and acts as normal, then the tag "nudist" is applicable.

1. given some preliminary gardening to trim out the posts that are absolutely not casual by any stretch of the word, pool:Casual_Nudity rating:e, post #9433570 ???

blindVigil said:

Anyone can edit pools, not just the pool's creator (I assume that's who you mean by "owner"). It's curated by the entire userbase. Anyone can already add any post to any pool, making it a tag doesn't change that. You could remove the posts you think don't fit, and it would probably be a good idea if we do actually turn these into tags.

That said, pools are pretty often ignored and treated like pet projects by some users, so they don't get gardened nearly as often as they should. Frankly, there are a few pool obsessed users that need to get smacked for how often they add garbage to pools like Casual Nudity.

oh, i didn't know that

but to be honest... if you can't tag it because as a tag it would suck and you can't make it into a pool because the pool would be "garbage" then what is the point of collection pools to begin with?

trapster77 said:

oh, i didn't know that

but to be honest... if you can't tag it because as a tag it would suck and you can't make it into a pool because the pool would be "garbage" then what is the point of collection pools to begin with?

Collection pools are (or could be soon to say were) for concepts that were too subjective to be a tag, which often times were aesthetics like Casual Nudity not easily searchable in tags. As we've been moving towards being more, for lack of better phrasing, "trigger happy" with creatong new gentags, many of these pools are getting reevaluated when it turns out their concept is actually perfectly objective.

blindVigil said:

This is actually wrong, despite it being the intuitive presumption of the pool's purpose, especially if pool #10351 "Casually Barefoot" is being used as comparison.

As per its description, the pool is literally just "nudity but without sexual context" which means it also applies to expected nudity like bathing.

I've always found the pool a little odd and hard to use. People really like to add characters posing provocatively on a bed to the pool, which hardly seems "contextually nonsexual" to me.

Hm...I'm wondering now if perhaps the best solution would be to go with full on nonsexual nudity for a pool-to-tag conversion. The pool would need cleaning up beforehand, as it appears to be one of the targets of our pool gremlins, as you so put it, but that would've been the case anyway it seems, so...

I guess maybe we can exclude situations in which characters are expected to be naked too, as a proposal, such as bathing.