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BUR #52971 has been approved by @evazion.
mass update kantai_collection machinery -> rigging -machinery
Machinery was originally used as the tag for the equipment shipgirls carry on them, but rigging was then settled on as the official term. Despite this, thousands of old posts are still tagged with machinery, and because of that it shows up on the suggested tag list to get added to new posts. It's time to use the correct tag.
BUR #52972 has been approved by @evazion.
mass update azur_lane machinery -> -machinery rigging
Seeing as the Azur Lane wikis all use the term rigging, it seems to be the correct tag for them, too.
BUR #52973 has been approved by @evazion.
mass update warship_girls_r machinery -> -machinery rigging
For the other large warship personification game.
Damian0358 said:
Given how many posts this would update, particularly the first one, I'm assuming you've already given the search a look-through to make sure machinery that isn't shipgirl rigging isn't banished to rigging by accident?
I can't claim to have gone through every single page (over 900 for the first one alone), but as my edit history shows, I have been going through many of them. I have yet to encounter a single post where machinery would still be applicable and rigging not, or a single post where machinery could work that wasn't already covered by another tag (crane (machine), etc).
@Damian0358 Actually on second thought, I'm going to reject the Azur Lane BUR because the entire first page are examples of machines that aren't rigging. I still have yet to find an example amongst Kancolle posts, though.
The bulk update request #52972 (forum #411761) has been rejected by @Historyanon.
machinery is an old tag that has become largely irrelevant now that we have vehicle focus, mecha focus etc. It should be deprecated. I'm looking at the first few pages of results and there's nothing that clearly ties these posts together, it's just random mechas and structures and mecha musume, not even well detailed ones.
rigging should be renamed to shipgirl rigging or something, given that it's a tag for nondescript shipgirl equipment. Can it apply to other kinds of vehicle personifications?
nonamethanks said:
rigging should be renamed to shipgirl rigging or something, given that it's a tag for nondescript shipgirl equipment. Can it apply to other kinds of vehicle personifications?
I see that it's been used on Ash Arms's plane- and tankgirls, so there's probably a small subsect of the tag that isn't shipgirl equipment, but it's probably mostly just that.
Unbreakable said:
Can you point to where this was supposedly settled? I can't find anything from a quick search on the forums.
I think by 'settled on' he doesn't mean formally, just that that's the tag you see in the wikis now. rigging is currently linked in 524 wikis, while machinery is at 29. That then begs the question of who updated all the wikis so that rigging is linked instead of machinery.
Rigging seems to have been made in 2014, then it was mentioned for the first time in the forum in 2016, where its frequent use was commented on, seven months later it got a wiki, and then by 2018 you've got folks already deciding the differences between rigging and machinery, when to use one or the other if they aren't mutually exclusive, etc. The fact there hasn't been a discussion on this since might imply that between then and now, in the past eight years, that's when the wikis were updated.
Unbreakable said:
Can you point to where this was supposedly settled? I can't find anything from a quick search on the forums.
For Kancolle, at least, the actual game uses rigging to refer to the equipment a shipgirl carries. It's the official term.
All the Azur Lane wikis here use rigging to refer to equipment, too, but I cannot speak for that game. I'll summon the more proficient AL wiki writers to give their perspective: @ArcieA @MarqFJA87
The tag would 100% need the aforementioned shipgirl qualification or something similar, Rigging can OFC mean rigging a game of chance and IRL ship rigging is something from sail ships, not the same as the stuff from shipgirls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigging (alot of the other types of rigging are similar to this one so no need to list them all)
nonamethanks said:
machinery is an old tag that has become largely irrelevant now that we have vehicle focus, mecha focus etc. It should be deprecated. I'm looking at the first few pages of results and there's nothing that clearly ties these posts together, it's just random mechas and structures and mecha musume, not even well detailed ones.
I'll write up a depreciation wiki and post that BUR in its own thread.
nonamethanks said:
rigging should be renamed to shipgirl rigging or something, given that it's a tag for nondescript shipgirl equipment. Can it apply to other kinds of vehicle personifications?
As Damian said, I have seen it used for other vehicle personifications and the occasional Goddess Of Victory: Nikke post. Its use for shipgirls is by far the majority of the tag, but the likes of Kantai Collection and Azur Lane are also massive copyrights in comparison.
Unbreakable said:
Well if we're gonna use it as the main tag it should at least have a name change as suggested by nonamethanks.
See above. I'm personally ambivalent about a rename, as that would exclude its use by other personifications.
rigging needs to be for something specific. It has this name because it was meant to be used on ship rigging used by ship girls - think nets, anchors, bridges, railings, radio antennas, control towers, etc, but used as components of a costume. The kind of stuff that if you just tagged it as it is, it would poison the main object tags, and that you can't search for all at once without having to include 20 different _ornament tags.
This tag was needed the moment we decided not to tag kancolle with personification, otherwise it would've been redundant with it. This is not a problem for other vehicle personification copyrights, because, well, none are anywhere near as big as shipgirl copyrights.
In theory it would make sense to use this tag on things like tank girls or airplane girls, but it would significantly increase the scope of the tag, and if we're dumping it on all kinds of weird metal components then it becomes complete padding.
BUR #52980 is pending approval.
create alias rigging -> shipgirl_rigging
As above, then. Can't do a straight rename as it's too many posts, so I'll do it this way.
Whatever rename rigging gets to make it more obvious that it's for the kind of stuff you see hanging around personifications, it should probably be gender-neutral so posts like post #773883 with the lads, post #2558003 and post #3375661 can apply, and also possibly distinguish it from mecha musume.
Regardless of what evazion felt in forum #151152, I do think there is a difference between personification rigging and other stuff found in mecha musume that's a lot more generically sci-fi, because, despite what the wiki asserts, mecha musume isn't squarely the anthropomorphization of hardware (mecha) as cute girls, it's literally just girls in mecha-esque armor, which is why Pixiv itself overlaps it under mecha shoujo (which we have as an Other Name for mecha musume). The example image Pixiv gives for mecha musume is post #2087338, which isn't personifying shit. It's ironically fortunate that we haven't lumped shipgirls under mecha musume since then our tag wouldn't reflect how it's actually used in Japan. KanColle's wiki's old warning holds true.
The bulk update request #52973 (forum #411762) has been approved by @evazion.
The bulk update request #52972 (forum #411761) has been approved by @evazion.
