supporting terror of your own citizens is so patriotic!!!
>Country votes in a president who promises to deport illegal immigrants. >The president starts deporting illegal immigrants. >Mind crumbles at the maddening revelation. >Follow ICE agents around in groups. >honk, scream and spit at ICE agents. >Crowd and block ICE agents when they are trying to catch illegal immigrants. >Threaten to and encourage others to murder ICE agents. >Try to resist or evade arrest by ICE when they decide to arrest you instead. AAAIIIIIAH THIS IS LITERALLY TERRORISM OPPRESSION, HOW COULD OUR OWN CITIZENS SUPPORT THIS AFTER WE CALLED THEM RACIST NAZI SCUM WHO DESERVE TO DIE?!
>Follow ICE agents around in groups. >honk, scream and spit at ICE agents. >Crowd and block ICE agents when they are trying to catch illegal immigrants. >Threaten to and encourage others to murder ICE agents. >Try to resist or evade arrest by ICE when they decide to arrest you instead. AAAIIIIIAH THIS IS LITERALLY NAZI TERRORISM OPPRESSION, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME!?
I wonder what caused this result... Certainly not the illegal and barbaric methods of ICE, implemented there under the Trump administration.
It's not that I've “changed the topic”; you just need to apply your cause-and-effect reasoning.
You started on the topic of citizens supporting ICE despite their actions against other citizens, and then you talked about the reasons why those other citizens protest ICE. Two topics being related does not mean they are the same. Now please, ANSWER THE QUESTION: Can you understand why people would support ICE despite the apparent "terror of your own citizens".
You started on the topic of citizens supporting ICE despite their actions against other citizens, and then you talked about the reasons why those other citizens protest ICE. Two topics being related does not mean they are the same. Now please, ANSWER THE QUESTION: Can you understand why people would support ICE despite the apparent "terror of your own citizens".
I see how they support ICE, they do so much that YOU said YOURSELF a hour ago they're showing their support like this (citation): >Follow ICE agents around in groups. >honk, scream and spit at ICE agents. >Crowd and block ICE agents when they are trying to catch illegal immigrants. >Threaten to and encourage others to murder ICE agents.
I see how they support ICE, they do so much that YOU said YOURSELF a hour ago they're showing their support like this (citation): >Follow ICE agents around in groups. >honk, scream and spit at ICE agents. >Crowd and block ICE agents when they are trying to catch illegal immigrants. >Threaten to and encourage others to murder ICE agents.
That's exactly what support is, definitely.
The people doing that are obviously a small percentage of the American people? Regardless of what you think of Trump or ICE, I think we can at least not pretend that a few rioting groups speak for the entire population, and are obviously not who is being referred to when talking about people that support ICE. At least argue in good faith, or you're no better than the ones you're arguing with.
Are you just pretending to be obtuse? Obviously, people are not a monolith, and there are US citizens besides the protesters, some one whom support ICE. If you'd rather play rhetorical games then have a simple, honest conversation like some sort of reasonable adult, then you are a malicious actor and cannot expect to be taken seriously by anyone except the figurative choir.
The people doing that are obviously a small percentage of the American people? Regardless of what you think of Trump or ICE, I think we can at least not pretend that a few rioting groups speak for the entire population, and are obviously not who is being referred to when talking about people that support ICE. At least argue in good faith, or you're no better than the ones you're arguing with.
Okay, even if we don't take people's opinions into account, first of all, they contradicts themselves anyway, and secondly, ICE is a US federal agency, and it must do its job and comply with US law, rather than engaging in savage vigilante justice, shooting everyone in sight and capturing everyone in sight. Their work must be controlled, and not through the prism of “the president promised.”
even if we don't take people's opinions into account
But that is the subject I want to stick with. Please answer the question: Can you understand why people would support ICE despite the apparent "terror of your own citizens".
But that is the subject I want to stick with. Stop. Trying. To. Change. The. Subject. Answer the question: Can you understand why people would support ICE despite the apparent "terror of your own citizens".
Perhaps only religious fanatics and blind followers of the MAGA cult can actively support ICE in a situation where the US media space is filled with hatred towards them for a reason, and in this case, it is both in one person at the same time. And that girl who drew this work, is one of them. If ICE were doing its job properly, I would be confident and understand that they deserve the support and trust of the entire American people.
But why would you ask someone that on the first place? When the issue here was not initially about why someone would or would not support them?
wrweider64 said in comment #2576706: only religious fanatics and blind followers of the MAGA cult
So "no".
If ICE were doing its job properly
And there it is, the new tactic: Instead of declaring that any deportation is evil and fascist and so on and on (because that doesn't work anymore), you say it's okay so long as the deportations are done "properly". What you then do is make sure that ICE is not able to do its job "properly": You organize to harass and obstruct and frustrate ICE in doing their job, you whip each other up in a hysteria and encourage murdering ICE agents, and you secretly hope that tensions will rise high enough and that one of you will cause enough trouble that SOMEONE dies. If it's an ICE agent who dies, you celebrate. If it's one of your own, you make them a martyr and scream and cry that ICE agents are terrorist oppressor shitlords who aren't doing their jobs "PROPERLY", who must be stopped, defunded... whatever prevents deportations. And that anyone who supports ICE are evil "MAGA cultists" and must be put on a list and so on and so forth. Anything to prevent deportations.
It's not that hard to figure out. So people who support deportations are willing to give ICE the benefit of the doubt when shit happens to protestors.
the issue here was not initially about why someone would or would not support them?
"Of course, supporting terror of your own citizens is so patriotic!!!" - wrweider64, in the very first comment on this picture.
I kindly ask danbooru tourists crying about ICE to fuckoff.
No one gives a fuck about ideology here. The picture is of a good enough quality to be here, and that's it.
You are not changing the world by spamming on an anime imageboard's comments, nor are your idols drawing ICE agents getting murdered by capeshit characters (their works will forever be on display here for future generations to see, however :)
So "no". Why did you ask then if you put your own answer anyway?
And no, I'm not involved in this shit personally. And there is no need to attribute to me things that I did not say, like "celebrating and wishing the death". But this does not mean that illegal and harsh actions can be blindly justified just like this.
I'm, and we're from Europe, and we can clearly see what the current administration is turning the world's top country into, people are not dumb, at least not entirely. And it's not even only ICE thing.
Again, there is no need to attribute to me things that I did not do, that I did not say, and that I did not call for.
wrweider64 said in comment #2576726: Why did you ask then if you put your own answer anyway?
Put? Look, you clearly aren't willing to see things from the other side, or concede that ICE-supporters might not be completely retarded asshats (edit: Sorry, "blind maga cultists"- wouldn't want to put words in your mouth), which is what I was essentially asking about. So yeah, "no".
And no, I'm not involved in this shit personally. [...] there is no need to attribute to me things that I did not do, that I did not say, and that I did not call for.
It should be clear that I was not talking about you specifically, but in general about people opposed to ICE to the point of pretending that they "terrorize" US citizens.
this does not mean that illegal and harsh actions can be blindly justified just like this.
My previous little wall of text should show that such justifications are not blind. And I don't think you (personally or anti-ICE people in general) are really all that opposed to illegal or harsh actions, such as obstructing law enforcement and killing people who are for deportation (see people shooting at Trump, Kirk, years of violent anti-MAGA rhetoric and crimes, etc). It doesn't seem to be about such principles, just pro-immigration ideology.
@AlsoSprachOdin claimed in a comment the other day that ICE only kills protestors because the protestors are trying to get themselves killed to make ICE look bad. He likes licking ICE's jackboots too much to ever acknowledge any wrongdoing on their part.
@AlsoSprachOdin claimed in a comment the other day that ICE only kills protestors because the protestors are trying to get themselves killed to make ICE look bad
Please quote me properly. Besides, I wrote it in this thread too: "and you secretly hope that tensions will rise high enough and that one of you will cause enough trouble that SOMEONE dies." Obviously, it would be an exceeding tiny minority of people who actually want to die, even for their cause. To suggest all these protesters want to die is obviously absurd. Wanting someone ELSE to die for the cause is another matter, and I particularly think the people who organized these protests are absolutely that cynical.
Kaktus_Lata said in comment #2576743: He likes licking ICE's jackboots too much to ever acknowledge any wrongdoing on their part.
The agent who shot Renee Good should not have stepped in front of her car once she stopped backing up. There. On a more general note ICE agents sometimes make mistakes or maliciously break the law, just as individuals in any law enforcement agency. Not all of them are good nor all bad. That does not mean that the current criticism of ICE is not completely overblown for political reasons.
On a more general note ICE agents sometimes make mistakes or maliciously break the law, just as individuals in any law enforcement agency. Not all of them are good nor all bad. That does not mean that the current criticism of ICE is not completely overblown for political reasons.
I doubt you've met that many. But then again, they're probably more likely than not to think that deportations are a good idea, and maybe that's enough to make them bad people in your book.
The woman, who did not want to be identified because she fears for her safety, is a U.S. citizen and a resident of St. Peter. She told MPR News in an interview that she was out in the community in her car, tracking the movements of federal agents, and recording them on a dash cam.
She shared that video with MPR News. Agents in three vehicles began chasing her and trying to force her to pull over. Eventually they box her in, three agents get out of the car in front of her, with their guns drawn and they try to force her out of her vehicle.
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“Get out of the car! Get out of the car,” the agents scream at her repeatedly, while she calmly responds, “No. I will not get out of the car.”
While she's alone in the car, the woman can be heard talking with other observers on speaker phone and she tells them to call 911. The agents open the door, which unlocked automatically when she put the gearshift in park, they drag her out and force her to the ground. She said the agents were overly aggressive and physical as they pinned her down and handcuffed her, leaving her with multiple cuts, scrapes and bruises.
The woman’s husband eventually arrives and tries to intervene, and he made a separate recording of the interaction on his phone. He tells the agents not to search her car because they don't have a warrant and it would be an illegal search. The agents appear dismissive of his constitutional concerns.
"I'm not getting into the legality of everything," one agent responds tersely.
