I wonder who that monocle commander would be now. Maybe he's a commander for another base.
I can hear the yurifags screech over that comment haha. Seriously though, I'm hyped for a male commander design myself, I don't how alien it'd be for other people though.
So was the design for Vector originally supposed to be the Commander, or is this character design a recent thing?
laisy said:
People were surprised they went for a female commander.
Well it is Girls Frontline after all.
I think people had it in their mind that it was male due to interactions with Kalina. Kalina doesn't do girl talk and stuff in her lines, she sounds like someone looking for a sugar daddy. But apparently Kalina is fine with a sugar momma too.
Personally I think it works well if the commander is male or female. I'm more in the camp of male though because it seems to fit the story a little better so far. I'm not a super big fan of the hairstyle they chose though. I'd prefer a personality/appearance similar to xiujia's
Looks like they'll be balancing the series with a male (Madcore's commander) for the anime, a female for the manga and left unknown for the game. That seems the most logical route to me.
Nah. Majority of T-doll quotes treat the commander in game as male. Heckle the commander even survive torture by the White Faction.
Thats a translation error there are no gender pronouns in the Chinese verison. Also women can survive torture too so im not sure what point you were trying to prove.
I wonder who that monocle commander would be now. Maybe he's a commander for another base.
I don't think MADCORE's Commander was ever meant to be taken seriously, since he's only the protagonist in the 4komas and the upcoming gag anime. He's more clearly modeled after how players treat the game, or taking things to an extreme. That being said, Gentiane also seems to act a bit like players, but done more realistically.
i hope they keep the gender ambiguous in the game. unless what this one guy said was true that Yuzhong confirmed she is us in game
She's assigned to the base and area from the game, so from a canon perspective, she is meant to be "you" in the game. It's unlikely the game will ever directly address this, so that way you don't feel like you're missing out if you don't read the manga.
This logic doesn't make much sense. A story outside game form can't work with a faceless insert, Kantai Collection's Admiral tried to do this and it failed. The writers needed an actual character that literally everyone interacts with. But that doesn't mean the game is suddenly secondary to the manga.
Why are people suddenly so determined to make Gentiane a canon thing in-game?
This logic doesn't make much sense. A story outside game form can't work with a faceless insert, Kantai Collection's Admiral tried to do this and it failed. The writers needed an actual character that literally everyone interacts with. But that doesn't mean the game is suddenly secondary to the manga.
Why are people suddenly so determined to make Gentiane a canon thing in-game?
Because she's assigned to the same base, fills the same role, and is doing the same things we did in-game. The manga seems to just be the game, adapted to this format. So she's basically "us" in the game. I also know manga is technically not right, given it's a Korean publication or Chinese, I think? But, habit.
We're talking in circles. You say locations and story make it canon, I say the artists need a character to fill in the self-insert but that doesn't make it canon.
You're dismissal of the anime because of tone doesn't hold water either, but that's another story.
krisslanza said: I also know manga is technically not right, given it's a Korean publication or Chinese, I think? But, habit.
We're talking in circles. You say locations and story make it canon, I say the artists need a character to fill in the self-insert but that doesn't make it canon.
You're dismissal of the anime because of tone doesn't hold water either, but that's another story.
I guess we are. I'm just saying, this is just like whenever a game gets an "official" adaptation. The character used in it, is the "canon" protagonist. Yuu Kannagi is the canon GE1 protagonist because he was picked in the official manga version, and was then added into the game's database as the default selection without a data import, as an example. You don't have to pick him, or use him of course, but he is the canonical one regardless.
And if anyone thinks the anime is meant to be taken seriously, well, they didn't watch that PV.
I guess we are. I'm just saying, this is just like whenever a game gets an "official" adaptation. The character used in it, is the "canon" protagonist. Yuu Kannagi is the canon GE1 protagonist because he was picked in the official manga version, and was then added into the game's database as the default selection without a data import, as an example. You don't have to pick him, or use him of course, but he is the canonical one regardless.
And if anyone thinks the anime is meant to be taken seriously, well, they didn't watch that PV.
So what's the consensus on the commander for this series? Is she officially and exclusively THE commander and the video game version is one and the same? Or is the game counterpart gender-neutral to allow for self-inserting?
But this isn't God Slayer. And Gentiane hasn't been patched into the game. So, until Word of God kicks in, I'm not seeing your point.
And if you want to ignore the anime solely because of tone, I guess we'll have to ignore the past few collabs that are canon in-game. They've ranged from a zombie apocalypse to ending up in DDR-esque dimension. But, like I said, different story.
I know you REEEALLY want Gentiane to be in-game canon, but at least point me towards a dev post or something to support the claim.
RhythmicApogee said:
From what I've seen, there isn't any hard evidence to declare this the official Commander. Chances are it's a stand-in since the game follows the Commander's point-of-view so much. Having a silent, expressionless self-insert as a main character wouldn't exactly be entertaining to read/see.
From what I've seen, there isn't any hard evidence to declare this the official Commander. Chances are it's a stand-in since the game follows the Commander's point-of-view so much. Having a silent, expressionless self-insert as a main character wouldn't exactly be entertaining to read/see.
I agree. As much as I am for as many cute girls crammed into my gun-waifu game, I feel like it will seem weird to suddenly do a reveal when the story has worked without it so far. However, I think it would work great if she was like a commander from another division and you worked with her and her dolls or something in an event. That would be pretty cool.
But this isn't God Slayer. And Gentiane hasn't been patched into the game. So, until Word of God kicks in, I'm not seeing your point.
And if you want to ignore the anime solely because of tone, I guess we'll have to ignore the past few collabs that are canon in-game. They've ranged from a zombie apocalypse to ending up in DDR-esque dimension. But, like I said, different story.
I know you REEEALLY want Gentiane to be in-game canon, but at least point me towards a dev post or something to support the claim.
I doubt she'd get patched in, because the game lets you name your commander whatever. It isn't like the story is fully voiced, and having an actual name to say would matter any.
Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.
The only proof we'll probably get, is because she's the Commander of the exact same base, using the exact same AR Team. There is no one else she COULD be. The AR Team isn't some kind of mass-produced G&K team, they are a singular, specific group. There is only one Anti-Rain Team. Only one Commander in canon has gotten to use the AR Team.
From what I've seen, there isn't any hard evidence to declare this the official Commander. Chances are it's a stand-in since the game follows the Commander's point-of-view so much. Having a silent, expressionless self-insert as a main character wouldn't exactly be entertaining to read/see.
Except that she's doing the exact same things we're doing. She helped save M4A1, and now she's rescued SOPMOD-II. She's literally doing the exact same missions we did in the game, while commanding from the exact same base, with the exact same logistics officer we have (Kalina). Gentiane is literally the Commander from the game.
Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.
While collabs aren't officially confirmed canon, they at least have some amount of continuity/connection. In world 6 night story, FNC and FN-49 officially join FAL and 57's team. The team later are part of the BBBGG collab story, where they are the main players. Later in the Honkai collab, while only 57 appears, the team was said to specialize in "oddity" cases. 57 also appears at the end of DJMax event, but the incident had already been resolved.
Still, nothing concrete of the canon of collabs. I'm just going to quote a popular saying in Chinese anime community: You think, you lose.
I'd say this female commander is a character insert for the sake of the story. It's impossible for Gentiane to be the very same commander we control in-game since all of the dialogues and interactions thus far points to your commander being a dude in-game. It's especially apparent during Continuum Turbulence. So, just like how the gameplay and the in-game storyline is segregated, I think we should treat the comic the same way, to a degree.
I can see why they chose to use a female commander, though. First, they can drill home the name "Girls Frontline". Second, it saves them the trouble of dealing with waifufags pressuring them into developing some kind of romantic subplot with a doll as well as the unneeded backlash from doing so with a *wrong* doll.
At any rate, the comic seems to be affixed on M4A1 and the AR team. How the commander looks like is irrelevant, they are simply a narrative tool for the story. M4A1 needs to find a capable commander and that commander happens to be Gentiane.
Krisslanza said: Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.
Well, for starters, AW (and chapter 6) chronologically happens before Rabbit Hunt. One of the cutscenes in that collab mentioned Architect knew nothing about the explosion that happened at the beginning of the collab and was just as surprised as your dolls were. Canon or not, the collabs still adhere strongly to the game's continuity.
Kyrozen said: It's impossible for Gentiane to be the very same commander we control in-game since all of the dialogues and interactions thus far points to your commander being a dude in-game. It's especially apparent during Continuum Turbulence.
Can you give an example or two? I've heard people say this, but I can't recall any gender identifying dialogue.
Can you give an example or two? I've heard people say this, but I can't recall any gender identifying dialogue.
AK-12 beach story. She won a friendly wager against you. She jokingly dare you to date Helianthus and be her prince. She also told AN94 that you are an interesting guy.
Continuum Turbulence. You behave increasingly machismo throughout the event. When you are being rescued by 45 and 416, you replied "For the ladies, gentleness is my motto" to 45's codeword.
And that's not counting the countless of responses and actions that implicitly imply your commander is a dude such as your dolls' retort to your molesting tendency and the oath system.
Now, I understand that in the current increasingly albeit needlessly "progressive" socio-political climate, same-sex relationship is not frowned upon, heck, it's even celebrated for some reason. That's fine in real life, you people do you. But I don't like it when it's needlessly shoehorned into a medium. I also do not like the rather rabid reception it usually gets when it does. A good story has to have merits and lessons of its own and not made simply to cater to a group.
To append my bit on collabs earlier, I'd say they are canon. You start calling Vector as Vivi after Single Master event. Her relationship with PP19 is preserved and referenced in Vector's Halloween story.
AK-12 beach story. She won a friendly wager against you. She jokingly dare you to date Helianthus and be her prince. She also told AN94 that you are an interesting guy.
Continuum Turbulence. You behave increasingly machismo throughout the event. When you are being rescued by 45 and 416, you replied "For the ladies, gentleness is my motto" to 45's codeword.
And that's not counting the countless of responses and actions that implicitly imply your commander is a dude such as your dolls' retort to your molesting tendency and the oath system.
Now, I understand that in the current increasingly albeit needlessly "progressive" socio-political climate, same-sex relationship is not frowned upon, heck, it's even celebrated for some reason. That's fine in real life, you people do you. But I don't like it when it's needlessly shoehorned into a medium. I also do not like the rather rabid reception it usually gets when it does. A good story has to have merits and lessons of its own and not made simply to cater to a group.
To append my bit on collabs earlier, I'd say they are canon. You start calling Vector as Vivi after Single Master event. Her relationship with PP19 is preserved and referenced in Vector's Halloween story.
Like its been stated before the English verison shoehorned the male pronoun because the Chinese had none, You are literally a blank slate with no gender. And as for the event lines they literally work for any gender. I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?
iori98 said: I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?
I can see where Kyrozen's coming from. Think of it as the outrage at the latest Assassin's Creed and its DLC making a certain relationship canon. The option of choice and self-insert is given, only to be snatched away and then told "why do you care?"
Of course you'd care, you've invested yourself only to be removed for someone who is not you.
I don't have an issue with the main character being a different gender than me anymore than being in a different setting than me. There's human elements that are more base and universal than anything cultural, and that's what I attach to.
I don't dislike details for the sake of details, things like warhammer and dark souls are built on the idea of vague references to things the audience knows nothing about, but the implications are interesting enough they are fleshed out or built upon.
In Girls Frontline, the commander is a surrogate for the player, and given the player is likely not a commander of a unit of android gun-girls in Russia, I don't think its an important matter.
It seems common that an anime adaption goes with the male character, and a co-current manga goes with a female character.
Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.
The Arcsys collab is set after AW. They even mention making use of data from Architect in some of the cutscenes. The DJMAX event also introduces a few things that get brought up later.
Like its been stated before the English verison shoehorned the male pronoun because the Chinese had none, You are literally a blank slate with no gender. And as for the event lines they literally work for any gender. I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?
If the amibuous identiy of your character in a game is suddenly uprooted and replaced by something else, then you loose any sense of character identity you built up over the time spent playing.
I think that ambiguity in the CN version should only further encourage players to say, "the player character here is YOU, the player."
Mànhuà in Chinese. All three are written with the same CJK logograms (okay, the Korean version is a bit different), and they all refer to "comics" in the general sense (Western comics included) in their respective languages. (The component hanzi/kanji/hanja literally mean "casual/whimsical drawings", or more idiomatically, "sketches".)
The word in modern Chinese and Korean is borrowed from Japanese "manga". The term became part of the common lexicon in late Edo-era Japan, due to publication of serial woodcut printed 'comics' by Hokusai and his contemporaries.
There is earlier attested use in older Japanese scrolls and (even older) Chinese manuscripts, but there they refer to random jottings or sketches instead of the modern sense of the word, as "comics".
They don't open too much.2040 : Born in [Classified]
2043 : Moved to [Classified]
2062 : Graduated From [Classified]
2062 : Employed at Griffin PMCSimplified version. Newly appointed Frontline Commander of Griffin Sector S09.
