The question is actually "who's got a dick", so it's everyone except Mahiro and Bocchi. Though Mahiro is kind of a wild card here.
Why are weebs so transphobic? So if you got a dick it means that you can't be a woman? You're plainly wrong. Bridget is a woman. It has been confirmed. Cry about it.
My bad I didn't read the text in the image. Guess I'm gonna kill myself now 😔
Why are weebs so transphobic? So if you got a dick it means that you can't be a woman? You're plainly wrong. Bridget is a woman. It has been confirmed. Cry about it.
My bad I didn't read the text in the image. Guess I'm gonna kill myself now 😔
It is not transphobic to call a retcon a retcon. It is not transphobic to disregard a retcon that twists a character into something he never was and was never meant to be.
It is not transphobic to call a retcon a retcon. It is not transphobic to disregard a retcon that twists a character into something he never was and was never meant to be.
It's not a retcon. Nothing about her past was changed. You don't have to like it, but it's still canon, unless they undo it later and I don't see why they would.
It's not a retcon. Nothing about her past was changed. You don't have to like it, but it's still canon, unless they undo it later and I don't see why they would.
And I (and many others) think the past and the alleged coming-out present don't connect in any sensible way, making it a retcon.
But regardless if it is, how is this "transphobic" to think so?
Wait, so being an effeminate man or masculine woman automatically makes you a (literal slur), now? When did that start? What happened to tomboys and lady boys?
Firstly, don't use the t-word and refer to femboys or trans girls as "ladyboys." Secondly, the problem here is claiming a character isn't the gender they identify as. In case of Bridget, the problem is that people don't accept her as woman because she's assigned male at birth even though she eventually identified as a girl.
Firstly, don't use the t-word and refer to femboys or trans girls as "ladyboys." Secondly, the problem here is claiming a character isn't the gender they identify as. In case of Bridget, the problem is that people don't accept her as woman because she's assigned male at birth even though she eventually identified as a girl.
You have a misunderstanding here. Many people who still consider Bridget a guy don't do that because "trans women are actually just men" or "you can't be a woman if you have a dick". We do so because "girl Bridget" doesn't make sense to us with his previous personality and story. It's not denying that trans women are women, it's denying that this specific character is a trans woman at all. That's a completely different thing. Don't oversimplify it, please.
And I'm still yet to hear what's transphobic about disregarding a piece of bad writing (as far as I'm concerned).
You have a misunderstanding here. Many people who still consider Bridget a guy don't do that because "trans women are actually just men" or "you can't be a woman if you have a dick". We do so because "girl Bridget" doesn't make sense to us with his previous personality and story. It's not denying that trans women are women, it's denying that this specific character is a trans woman at all. That's a completely different thing. Don't oversimplify it, please.
And I'm still yet to hear what's transphobic about disregarding a piece of bad writing (as far as I'm concerned).
It's not, but this is exactly the kind of topic that would attract the "I'm not transphobic, but..." crowd, which results in people actually trying to present a nuanced position getting caught in the crossfire. That user still jumped the gun and even admitted to it (at least in regards to what the chart is about).
However, I don't agree with the idea that you can just disregard parts of fiction you don't like. That's not how canon works. Bridget is a trans woman simply because the creators said so. The quality of the writing doesn't matter. Criticizing the writing is fair game, but insisting a canon event didn't happen is just being in denial.
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Firstly, don't use the t-word and refer to femboys or trans girls as "ladyboys."
You might want to remove the slurs from your quote. A mod may edit it for you if you're lucky, but I've seen them simply delete comments with the offending words even if they were just quoted.
However, I don't agree with the idea that you can just disregard parts of fiction you don't like. That's not how canon works. Bridget is a trans woman simply because the creators said so. The quality of the writing doesn't matter. Criticizing the writing is fair game, but insisting a canon event didn't happen is just being in denial.
Fanon discontinuity is always a thing. Like how, for a recent example, a number of Star Wars fans reject all or most of modern canon because it's so bad. And for a direct parallel with Bridget, how Luke got twisted into something so detached from the original character that even his actor called him "Jake Skywalker".
Fanon discontinuity is always a thing. Like how, for a recent example, a number of Star Wars fans reject all or most of modern canon because it's so bad. And for a direct parallel with Bridget, how Luke got twisted into something so detached from the original character that even his actor called him "Jake Skywalker".
A bit of a different situation though isn't? Star Wars had quite a bit that was canon through books that was made non-canon after Disney bought up the IP and wanted to make their own canon. With an entire alternate canon that is as valid as the current canon, it's not hard to reject Disney's canon. In comparison hasn't Guilty Gear been consistent with the same developer?
You have a misunderstanding here. Many people who still consider Bridget a guy don't do that because "trans women are actually just men" or "you can't be a woman if you have a dick". We do so because "girl Bridget" doesn't make sense to us with his previous personality and story. It's not denying that trans women are women, it's denying that this specific character is a trans woman at all. That's a completely different thing. Don't oversimplify it, please.
And I'm still yet to hear what's transphobic about disregarding a piece of bad writing (as far as I'm concerned).
What's bad about the writing? Every person has their personal path they either take or have to go through involuntarily. If I'm not wrong she was forced to be a girl, she fought against it in spite to those who forced her to be that way, later in life she realizes that she has pushed her true identity behind walls she tried to build around herself.
Bad or good writing, it doesn't matter. It was confirmed by herself in the game and by the author that she's a girl.
Firstly, don't use the t-word and refer to femboys or trans girls as "ladyboys." Secondly, the problem here is claiming a character isn't the gender they identify as. In case of Bridget, the problem is that people don't accept her as woman because she's assigned male at birth even though she eventually identified as a girl.
Well, who cares what you "identify" as. You wanna know what you are? Look between your legs.
What's bad about the writing? Every person has their personal path they either take or have to go through involuntarily. If I'm not wrong she was forced to be a girl, she fought against it in spite to those who forced her to be that way, later in life she realizes that she has pushed her true identity behind walls she tried to build around herself.
She wasn't "forced to be a girl" she was just told by her parents to act like one around other people so she wouldn't be sacrificed for being a bad omen. They never actually treated her like she wasn't a boy. She was perfectly fine living that way until she realized how much it was hurting her parents and anyone else in the same situation, so she resolved to prove that she could bring wealth to the village despite being a boy.
She succeeded at that and lived openly as a boy until she decided she didn't actually want to live that way. Being a boy only mattered for dispelling the village's superstitions around same sex twins, anyway, it was never actually what she wanted. It's a perfectly reasonable way to take the character.
Now, I will admit there are Bridget related plot points from the previous games that would have been nice to get an update on, and Bridget's Strive appearance does feel a bit hasty and haphazard in its implementation. That doesn't change that most of the people that cry about "bad writing" are just mad that she's technically not a femboy anymore, and with how they froth at the mouth over it its really hard to believe it's not rooted in some level of transphobia when the only thing that changed was which pronouns the character uses and nothing actually established that anything about her body has changed.
Also, like... sometimes people's feelings change with time? If that weren't the case, no one would ever be closeted. You can insist that you're a Manly Masculine Dude Guy for years, and then go through changes in environment and circumstance and realize that, hey, maybe I'd be happier if I tried something else. Not because you were wrong before, or lying, but because you felt one way in one situation, and feel another now that you're in a different situation.
Also, like... sometimes people's feelings change with time? If that weren't the case, no one would ever be closeted. You can insist that you're a Manly Masculine Dude Guy for years, and then go through changes in environment and circumstance and realize that, hey, maybe I'd be happier if I tried something else. Not because you were wrong before, or lying, but because you felt one way in one situation, and feel another now that you're in a different situation.
Incredibly ironic that what made Bridget a fairly realistic depiction of many trans people (she didnt come out the womb knowing flat out, she lived parts of her life as something else, she came to a realization later in life) is what has people kicking and screaming and yelling BAD WRITING THO. That's a very realistic life story for many people, that one would know if they talked to like, two different trans people in their life maybe (do not talk to rl trans people if you're freaking out over Bridget Guilty Gear's pronouns).
She wasn't "forced to be a girl" she was just told by her parents to act like one around other people so she wouldn't be sacrificed for being a bad omen. They never actually treated her like she wasn't a boy. She was perfectly fine living that way until she realized how much it was hurting her parents and anyone else in the same situation, so she resolved to prove that she could bring wealth to the village despite being a boy.
She succeeded at that and lived openly as a boy until she decided she didn't actually want to live that way. Being a boy only mattered for dispelling the village's superstitions around same sex twins, anyway, it was never actually what she wanted. It's a perfectly reasonable way to take the character.
Now, I will admit there are Bridget related plot points from the previous games that would have been nice to get an update on, and Bridget's Strive appearance does feel a bit hasty and haphazard in its implementation. That doesn't change that most of the people that cry about "bad writing" are just mad that she's technically not a femboy anymore, and with how they froth at the mouth over it its really hard to believe it's not rooted in some level of transphobia when the only thing that changed was which pronouns the character uses and nothing actually established that anything about her body has changed.
Also that person saying "However, I don't agree with the idea that you can just disregard parts of fiction you don't like." Haha, you wish! No one has to accept your modern crap. Especially such a ridiculous retcon. Everyone has the right to choose where to put an end of the story for themselves and ignore any bullcrap after that. That's just how it is with modern adaptations and continuations. They are horrible and don't make any sense, so you pretend they never happened and continue loving the old story you've always loved.
