Fixed up the tags. Also a little surprised at how quickly this was uploaded.

I browse a few deviantart categories regularly. How did you get the new artist tags?

Alignn said:
I browse a few deviantart categories regularly. How did you get the new artist tags?

Their names are listed on their front pages. All you have to do is click away from the deviation page to the artist's profile page and look in the upper left corner. If they've made their name publicly available, it'll be listed. Like so:

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/1073/screenshot20110924at842.png

As for Paolo Antonio Aguasin, he removed his full name but since I already knew his full name from previous uploads, I just went ahead and applied it.

Hm... so should I use artists real names when given, and only resort to their nicks when no other option is available?
As long as it's a single person, of course.

Yes, real names are preferred if given, like paolo_antonio_aguasin instead of ComiPa. But if the artist's real name isn't given, then a handle like dr.p is used.

By the way, how did you find this so quickly? You posted it here very quickly after it was posted to DA.

Guess I just got lucky with the timing? I don't remember anything particular about it... Just a bookmarked search, like so:
http://browse.deviantart.com/?order=5&q=%22breath%20of%20fire%22

Ah, that would be why. Didn't know there were still many people actively looking for new BOF material.

Kind of surprised myself that there's new stuff as often as there is (which is like once every other day, mind).

Strange. It's not highlighting mark as an artist, despite putting artist: in front.

Alignn said:
Strange. It's not highlighting mark as an artist, despite putting artist: in front.

artist: works for me. I just changed it.

Must've been a typo somehow...

Maybe it has something to do with the manga for BoF4 that came out recently? The official one? At least I think it was official.

What has what to do with it?
Would this be "Utsurowazarumono - Breath of Fire IV" you're talking about?

Yeah, that's the Breath of Fire IV manga Steak is referencing. But since there isn't a spike in BoF4 art specifically, I think he's incorrect when he attributes new BoF art to the manga.

I mean, no one's going to look at the BoF4 manga and say "Hey, time to draw Nina from BoF2!"

The BoF series had alot of continuity. If you played one, you probably played them all. Many artists draw the characters from the different games together, especially group pics of the different Ninas together.

Basically any work related to the series is going to inspire other works. At least that's what I think.

Steak said:
The BoF series had alot of continuity. If you played one, you probably played them all. Many artists draw the characters from the different games together, especially group pics of the different Ninas together.

This became a trend due to the official series art book including new art that put the characters together. It's imitation of existing art, not a halo effect.

Basically any work related to the series is going to inspire other works. At least that's what I think.

Well, this is still commissioned work, so it's safe to say that at least this image has nothing to do with the BoF4 manga.

desides said:
This became a trend due to the official series art book including new art that put the characters together. It's imitation of existing art, not a halo effect.

Not exactly. The BoF series had a history of left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. Capcom management always claimed that the games were standalone universes (kinda like Final Fantasy) but in-game it was always implied that each game was a distant sequels of the previous game (with BoF4 being a prequel/sequel depending on who you asked).

BoF4 seemed to be an alternate world. Deis was an immortal from 1-3's and was all pissed she was pulled into 4's world.

MMaestro said:
Not exactly. The BoF series had a history of left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing.

I'm talking about fan art here. It doesn't matter how each games were produced; it only matters that fan artists saw all the different versions of a given character (say, Nina 1-5) drawn together and began to imitate that. That's why recent BoF art, especially on Pixiv, tends to group multiple characters together. The idea was planted by the BoF art book.

And BoF 1-3 take place in the same world, 4 is an alternate dimension that summoned Deis and Ryuu, and 5 is either an alternate dimension or happens in the future of the BoF1-3 world depending on what you believe.

I always thought 5 was a prequel to 1-3. They come out and start life on the surface again, and 1-3 talks about the great war that drove everyone underground to begin with, and they have the high-tech in 5 that they discover in 1-3.

Dr_Fine_Rolo said:
I always thought 5 was a prequel to 1-3. They come out and start life on the surface again, and 1-3 talks about the great war that drove everyone underground to begin with, and they have the high-tech in 5 that they discover in 1-3.

My interpretation was that as Myria states at the end of 3, an age of desertification spreads across the planet. Humans are driven underground to survive, though there's a long enough period of time between this and the end of 3 that scholarly efforts of Momo and a line of those following her work wind up reviving technology, giving people an underground techno-world to live in. Without human activity, plant life as represented by Peco sprouting in the desert sands in 3's ending gradually spreads and reverses desertification. Meanwhile, humans still live underground and BoF5 eventually begins.

desides said:
I'm talking about fan art here. It doesn't matter how each games were produced; it only matters that fan artists saw all the different versions of a given character (say, Nina 1-5) drawn together and began to imitate that. That's why recent BoF art, especially on Pixiv, tends to group multiple characters together. The idea was planted by the BoF art book.

And BoF 1-3 take place in the same world, 4 is an alternate dimension that summoned Deis and Ryuu, and 5 is either an alternate dimension or happens in the future of the BoF1-3 world depending on what you believe.

My point was that if accept the in-game canon, the BoF series is one really (time) distant series, all the "Ryus" and "Ninas" are nothing more than ancestors/descendants of one another. If you don't accept the in-game canon and you accept the corporate management canon, the entire series (with the exception of 1+2) is a series of standalone games.

That said, 4 can be a prequel if you look at it as a "how Deis first arrived and how the Dragon race was born" or vice versa a sequel with "the RETURN of Deis who is understandably annoyed at being brought back after BoF3 and the precursor to the surface world's destruction thus bringing about BoF5" with the absence of Deis in BoF5 being the only oddity.

MMaestro said:
My point was that if accept the in-game canon, the BoF series is one really (time) distant series, all the "Ryus" and "Ninas" are nothing more than ancestors/descendants of one another. If you don't accept the in-game canon and you accept the corporate management canon, the entire series (with the exception of 1+2) is a series of standalone games.

That said, 4 can be a prequel if you look at it as a "how Deis first arrived and how the Dragon race was born" or vice versa a sequel with "the RETURN of Deis who is understandably annoyed at being brought back after BoF3 and the precursor to the surface world's destruction thus bringing about BoF5" with the absence of Deis in BoF5 being the only oddity.

Sorry, but I can't agree with your interpretation of events at all.

desides said:
Sorry, but I can't agree with your interpretation of events at all.

Care to share your interpretation?

Byakugan01 said:
Care to share your interpretation?

Sure, just mouse over the big spoiler block above.

desides said:
Sorry, but I can't agree with your interpretation of events at all.

Except your interpretation blatantly ignores the fact that Myria was fighting to PREVENT a situation such as in BoF5. Obviously she succeeded to some degree since the part of the world you start the game on is lush with life and humans aren't living underground.

Sorry, you're flat-out wrong.

MMaestro said:
Except your interpretation blatantly ignores the fact that Myria was fighting to PREVENT a situation such as in BoF5. Obviously she succeeded to some degree since the part of the world you start the game on is lush with life and humans aren't living underground.

Sorry, you're flat-out wrong.

The point is that her defeat resumed the process of desertification she was holding back. If you think I ignored that, then you didn't comprehend what I laid out.

desides said:
The point is that her defeat resumed the process of desertification she was holding back. If you think I ignored that, then you didn't comprehend what I laid out.

Then you ignored the post-credits scene. You're still flat-out wrong.

MMaestro said:
Then you ignored the post-credits scene. You're still flat-out wrong.

I addressed the post-credits scene with the Peco reference. Again, you fail to understand my comment. So let me try again:

Myria gets whacked -> desertification resumes without Myria to stop it -> advanced technology spreads as ruins research increases (Momo, Wyndia investigators), cross-ocean transportation increases (teleporters), and more junk is salvaged (Inner Sea guilds) -> desertification reaches the inhabited world, humans go underground to survive -> plant life (symbolized by Peco's planting in the desert in the BoF3 post-credits scene) gradually spreads and overtakes desertification -> BoF5 begins.

I can't write it any simpler than that. If you can't understand it, well, I give up. Either way, I can't agree that BoF5 is a prequel. It simply plays on too many implications and allusions from BoF3 to occur before BoF1. The same reason (drawing on allusions and implications from BoF3) also to me prevents BoF5 from being an alternate universe title.

You're free to disagree, but at least understand what I'm saying before you reply. While I'm glad to have the opportunity to keep bumping this image (it deserves the visibility and favorites), I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

desides said:
It simply plays on too many implications and allusions from BoF3 to occur before BoF1.

Ok, you obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about. The final boss of BoF1 and Deis DIE at the end of BoF3. IT CANNOT BE A PREQUEL! The only way it can fit is if its a completely different universe (which it obviously isn't based on in-game art and dialogue) or if its takes place AFTER BoF1.

MMaestro said:
Ok, you obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about. The final boss of BoF1 and Deis DIE at the end of BoF3. IT CANNOT BE A PREQUEL! The only way it can fit is if its a completely different universe (which it obviously isn't based on in-game art and dialogue) or if its takes place AFTER BoF1.

You again have no idea what you're reading, as you seem to think I'm referring to BoF4 occurring after BoF3. I don't care about BoF4; I'm referring to BoF5 quite likely happening after BoF3. For the reasons I've stated, in my view, BoF5 is likely not a prequel to BoF1-3.

At this point I'm not even sure what your complaint is, because you're arguing against something I've never said.

One more time: the evidence, in my view, points to BoF5 being a sequel to BoF3 and occurs anywhere from a few hundred to a couple of thousand years after BoF3. Not BoF4. BoF4 is part of your theory, which is fine; I'm not arguing against it, I just don't agree with it because I have a different look at the order of events. BoF4 is an alternate universe and as such it's extremely difficult if not impossible to place when exactly Ryuu and Deis were summoned into that world. I certainly don't see BoF5 as the future of the BoF4 world as you do. I see it as the future of the BoF1-3 world.

But believe what you want. I'm tired of repeating myself, especially for the sake of someone who clearly isn't reading.

desides said:
You again have no idea what you're reading, as you seem to think I'm referring to BoF4 occurring after BoF3. I don't care about BoF4; I'm referring to BoF5 quite likely happening after BoF3. For the reasons I've stated, in my view, BoF5 is likely not a prequel to BoF1-3.

At this point I'm not even sure what your complaint is, because you're arguing against something I've never said.

I didn't mention BoF4 in that post at all. You're trolling. I'm done here.

MMaestro said:
I didn't mention BoF4 in that post at all. You're trolling. I'm done here.

Scroll up. Or not, because this is pointless. And if you think this is trolling, doubly so.

(By the way, if I said something like "Ryuu and Deis get it on after BoF4 and the resulting generations of kids become the Dragon Clan, thus leading into BoF1," THAT would be trolling.)

I read the posts. While desides is quite correct and justifies his arguments by a wall of text, MMaestro is just pointing unused arguments, using abbreviations, caps lock, and calling desides a troll.

I think I know who is the troll in the end.

(BoF5 as prequel because Nina's wings have a genesis there. In the other games they come from heredity.)

And the hi-tech ruins found throughout 1-3 could be unearthed remains from 5...