For once, I'm with Ooi on something. I'd be pretty pissed to if people kept reducing me to a cliche.
That presumes that "tsundere" is a "cliche", and not a personality trait. I mean, "sporty girls" are a stock type of schoolgirl in anime, too... but they're that way because you do meet people like that....
That presumes that "tsundere" is a "cliche", and not a personality trait. I mean, "sporty girls" are a stock type of schoolgirl in anime, too... but they're that way because you do meet people like that....
Except that in real life, if you meet a girl who constantly protests that she wants nothing to do with you, it's because she actually wants nothing to do with you. "Sporty girls" actually exist; "tsunderes" as we know them are largely an invention by creeps who want an excuse to deny it when they've been rejected.
Except that in real life, if you meet a girl who constantly protests that she wants nothing to do with you, it's because she actually wants nothing to do with you. "Sporty girls" actually exist; "tsunderes" as we know them are largely an invention by creeps who want an excuse to deny it when they've been rejected.
-What's is the name of the type of girl who likes a guy but they can sometimes treat him meanly or even violently? -An asshole.
Except that in real life, if you meet a girl who constantly protests that she wants nothing to do with you, it's because she actually wants nothing to do with you. "Sporty girls" actually exist; "tsunderes" as we know them are largely an invention by creeps who want an excuse to deny it when they've been rejected.
That's the tsundéré cliché. The tsundéré archetype is basically a character (usually female) who can be harsh or bitter (tsun-tsun) or sweet (dere-dere).
Except that in real life, if you meet a girl who constantly protests that she wants nothing to do with you, it's because she actually wants nothing to do with you. "Sporty girls" actually exist; "tsunderes" as we know them are largely an invention by creeps who want an excuse to deny it when they've been rejected.
And that's the stereotype of anime that lazy writers encourage, but that's not all that tsundere refers to. In fact, to disagree with what colBoh says, there's frankly more male than female tsunderes in fiction, people just aren't willing to make the connection as to what the term refers to outside of the most blatant of stereotypes.
The tsundere is just a new name on an ancient archetype that's existed for as long as dramatic romance stories have existed, and both the original meaning of tsundere (that a person who is initially cold warms up over time) and what it's gradually come to refer to (forceful characters that still have a soft side they find too embarrassing to show openly) exist in real life. (And men are much more likely to be the types that feel that overtly showing public affection is an embarrassing thing.)
It's also a factor of the lazy writers that tsunderes are associated with people who get mad for no reason - the original trope codifiers were girls who would be angry or forceful for good reason, since the male lead was either a womanizing jackass or a whiny scrub that needed someone to kick him in the rear to get him to stop crying long enough to get in the fucking robot.
