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Goddamn it Bill! You just had to keep playing with that teleporter!

bunkhead said:

The images are both the same size, there isn't anything cut off in this one that's present in the other.
This is a variant set, the most baseline normal should be the parent.

I'm not pointing out the file size or whether it's cropped. As I already mentioned in post #10537205, when the two images are not identical, the one with more elements(the most complete version) should be the parent. TIL that a set of just two posts is referred to as a variant set.

AkaringoP said:

I'm not pointing out the file size or whether it's cropped. As I already mentioned in post #10537205, when the two images are not identical, the one with more elements(the most complete version) should be the parent. TIL that a set of just two posts is referred to as a variant set.

Feels like you're stretching the meaning of "most complete" here. post #10606644 is an alternate version of this post, it's not a revision or update. It's not "more complete" just because it has more elements. They were uploaded in the same pixiv post, and this one is the first in the set, implying the intent for it to be seen first, making it the "parent" of the two as far as pixiv is concerned.

blindVigil said:

Feels like you're stretching the meaning of "most complete" here. post #10606644 is an alternate version of this post, it's not a revision or update. It's not "more complete" just because it has more elements. They were uploaded in the same pixiv post, and this one is the first in the set, implying the intent for it to be seen first, making it the "parent" of the two as far as pixiv is concerned.

This isn't really stretching the meaning of "most complete, it's just kind of an example of what is "more complete". Source post order is pretty much irrelevant, plenty of artists upload posts in different orders on different platforms. This is why we have general guidelines such as "more complete" and "from least to most nsfw". The additional image element makes the one with the health bar more complete.

AkaringoP said:

Unless the difference affects the rating, the most complete version should be the parent.

Censorship does not usually affect ratings and has nothing to do with completeness.

blindVigil said:

Feels like you're stretching the meaning of "most complete" here. post #10606644 is an alternate version of this post, it's not a revision or update. It's not "more complete" just because it has more elements. They were uploaded in the same pixiv post, and this one is the first in the set, implying the intent for it to be seen first, making it the "parent" of the two as far as pixiv is concerned.

Devil's advocate: It's possible the artist meant to post them in a different order but made a mistake. For comics, we'd definitely disregard post order if it contradicted narrative order. Or maybe the order doesn't actually matter in this case.

ANON_TOKYO said:

This is why we have general guidelines such as "more complete" and "from least to most nsfw". The additional image element makes the one with the health bar more complete.

This is definitely a case of taking guidelines as literally as possible because some of us are too autistic for nuance.

Blank_User said:

Devil's advocate: It's possible the artist meant to post them in a different order but made a mistake. For comics, we'd definitely disregard post order if it contradicted narrative order. Or maybe the order doesn't actually matter in this case.

But this isn't a comic and there's no reasonable assumption that the artist intended the order to be anything other than how they posted it. These points aren't relevant. Maybe the order doesn't matter, but it exists as it is, and there's no actual reason for us to be saying the order should be anything other than what it is. We're just being stupid about some guidelines.

Edit: No, actually, it's dumber than I realized. The guidelines don't say a single thing about having "more elements." It just says:

help:post relationships said: Most complete, as opposed to cropped posts.

By your logic, a set like post #5427097 should be reversed, because the images get "more complete" but that's obviously silly.

blindVigil said:

But this isn't a comic and there's no reasonable assumption that the artist intended the order to be anything other than how they posted it. These points aren't relevant. Maybe the order doesn't matter, but it exists as it is, and there's no actual reason for us to be saying the order should be anything other than what it is. We're just being stupid about some guidelines.

That was my point. If there's no clear order to the images and no way to tell which should be the parent from the guidelines, then yes, we should default to the first post in the series.

However, I don't think we need to rely on posting order for this. The "most exploitable" criterion outranks the "complete" criterion (which as you mentioned, pertains to cropped images, not fewer elements), and having the health bar in there would definitely make it harder to create a derivative from it. "Most original" trumps both, but there's no clear way to tell in this case.

Edit: No, actually, it's dumber than I realized. The guidelines don't say a single thing about having "more elements." It just says:

help:post relationships said: Most complete, as opposed to cropped posts.

It's worse than that. OP responds by claiming they weren't talking about cropping and confuses file size for resolution despite the sentence being responded to clearly implying the latter, then brings up a parenting dispute that involves cropping to support their position on the parenting of this non-cropped image.

I will say that there is one other guideline that mentions completeness. Textless versions are made the child because they are less "complete." Obviously, they don't mean the same thing, but I can see some people getting tripped up over this.

By your logic, a set like post #5427097 should be reversed, because the images get "more complete" but that's obviously silly.

An artist gradually adding characters with each post implies a narrative order, unlike the health bar example being debated here. It does technically follow the "most exploitable" guideline, but that's mostly a coincidence and not relevant for this example.